10561 - Treblecross

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dapumptu
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Post by dapumptu » Wed Nov 26, 2003 2:33 am

Can someone help me check my grundy number for n= 0~44
, is it right????


0~9
011123034
10~18
111030321

250301212

303412103

032125030

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Post by gush » Fri Dec 12, 2003 3:55 pm

the output should be as follows.

WINNING
3
LOSING

WINNING
3
WINNING
1 12 15 17 20 24 28 31 33 36 47
WINNING
3 5
WINNING
4 10 16 22 23 33 34 35 37 38 39 49 50 51
WINNING
17 20
WINNING
1 4 5 6 9
WINNING
3 6
WINNING
3
WINNING
11
WINNING
12
WINNING
3 12
WINNING
13 16
LOSING

WINNING
12 15
WINNING
11
WINNING
7
WINNING
1 3 7 8 17 18 19 28 29 33 35
WINNING
12 15
LOSING

WINNING
52 53 55 56
WINNING
23 29

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Post by gush » Fri Dec 12, 2003 3:55 pm

the output should be as follows.

WINNING
3
LOSING

WINNING
3
WINNING
1 12 15 17 20 24 28 31 33 36 47
WINNING
3 5
WINNING
4 10 16 22 23 33 34 35 37 38 39 49 50 51
WINNING
17 20
WINNING
1 4 5 6 9
WINNING
3 6
WINNING
3
WINNING
11
WINNING
12
WINNING
3 12
WINNING
13 16
LOSING

WINNING
12 15
WINNING
11
WINNING
7
WINNING
1 3 7 8 17 18 19 28 29 33 35
WINNING
12 15
LOSING

WINNING
52 53 55 56
WINNING
23 29

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Post by Whinii F. » Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:41 pm

Hi.
I read up some math, and solved this problem. But I did not understand the all background of this.. (I'm really bad in math :wink:)

I believe there should be another approach that is not based on game theory, and it is much more likely the "another method" is feasible for real contest environments. (Looking at Yarin's 0.15sec time confirmed it :) )

I tried to find one, but it was not easy. :(

Could anybody offer a helping hand? I'll greatly appreciate it.

Best regards,
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Post by Andrey Mokhov » Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:44 am

Hello, Whinii F.!

Why don't you like this method? To my mind it was one of the most beautiful problems and one of the best of my solutions!! :P

Great thanks to Jimmy M

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Post by Whinii F. » Thu Jan 15, 2004 6:03 pm

Hi Andrey! :D

I just thought so because I am not good at math at all. :( Suppose that I faced this kind of problem in an actual contest environment. I don't think I would solve it, since I don't know this particular theory. So I just imagined of a different solution that can deal with some more general situations.

(Yeah, give some chance to those who are not good at math! :))

That was all. It was not intention, at all, to mean that the method was not good. :wink:

Thanks for paying attention. :)

And dapumptu:

Your table seems to be different from mine. My AC program has a table like:

0 ~ 9: 0 1 1 1 2 2 0 3 3 1
10 ~ 19: 1 1 0 4 3 3 3 2 2 2
20 ~ 29: 4 4 0 5 5 2 2 2 3 3
30 ~ 39: 0 5 0 1 1 1 3 3 3 5
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Post by Dreamer#1 » Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:50 pm

here are some test cases:
  • 39
    XX.....
    .....XX
    ...XX.
    .XX...
    .XX.X..XX.XX.
    ...
    XX.
    .XX
    .X.
    X.X
    X..
    ..X
    .....
    X.....X..X.............X....X..X
    .X.X...X
    ...............................................
    .X.X.X.................X...X.............X......
    X...........X.....X......X...................X.....
    .....X...........XX......
    .........
    .X.XX...
    .......X
    ...........XX
    .X..........XX
    XX..........XX
    .X.......X......
    X................X.
    X.......X........X....X...X
    .....................
    .............
    ...................................
    ............XX..........
    .........X.......................................X......
    .......................X......X.................X.......
    .X..............X.................X..........
    ..................................................
    ....................................................................................................
    ......................................................................................................................................................
    ........................................................................................................................................................................................................
  • WINNING
    3
    WINNING
    5
    WINNING
    3 6
    WINNING
    1 4
    WINNING
    1 4 7 10 13
    WINNING
    1 2 3
    WINNING
    3
    WINNING
    1
    LOSING

    WINNING
    2
    LOSING

    LOSING

    WINNING
    3
    LOSING

    WINNING
    3
    WINNING
    1 12 15 17 20 24 28 31 33 36 47
    WINNING
    3 5
    WINNING
    4 10 16 22 23 33 34 35 37 38 39 49 50 51
    WINNING
    17 20
    WINNING
    1 4 5 6 9
    WINNING
    3 6
    WINNING
    3
    WINNING
    11
    WINNING
    12
    WINNING
    3 12
    WINNING
    13 16
    LOSING

    WINNING
    12 15
    WINNING
    11
    WINNING
    7
    WINNING
    1 3 7 8 17 18 19 28 29 33 35
    WINNING
    12 15
    LOSING

    WINNING
    52 53 55 56
    WINNING
    23 29
    WINNING
    5 10 11 13 14 19 21 22 29 30 32 37 38 40 41 46
    WINNING
    7 8 18 50 51 83 93 94
    WINNING
    40 111
    WINNING
    5 11 21 22 24 26 34 38 45 50 64 65 69 75 78 81 91 93 94 96 97 104 105 107 108 110 120 123 126 132 136 137 151 156 163 167 175 177 179 180 190 196
hope it helps. you should get AC if you can pass the above cases.
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10561 can some one help me out?

Post by Sana » Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:47 pm

I ve never submitted a problem on acm and this problem was assigned to me as my course assignment and it has quite heavy weitage and i am unable to solve it as am not good in Math..its due on 11 April can some one help me out with it? i ll be really thank full. if some one cant give me a sample solution if he can help me atleast to make up the logic it will be okay.. time is very short for me.
Sana.

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Post by BiK » Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:27 am

Marian or everybody else,

Do you know some good books about Grundy-Sprague numbers?

Thanks

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Re: 10561 - Treblecross

Post by zobayer » Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:01 am

Can anyone tell me whether I could check X.X type cases directly using grundy numbers or I just need to check them manually?
And for finding winning positions, if I check manually and using grundy at the same time, will it cause any trouble? Here, I mean by manual checking are those cases like XXX... or ...XXX or .....X.X..... ?
Thanks :)
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Re: 10561 - Treblecross

Post by zobayer » Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:59 am

I got AC today, but the following IO doesn't match with 'Dreamer#1's output:

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His output:

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WINNING
5 11 21 22 24 26 34 38 45 50 64 65 69 75 78 81 91 93 94 96 97 104 105 107 108 110 120 123 126 132 136 137 151 156 163 167 175 177 179 180 190 196
My output:

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WINNING
1 9 12 44 63 84 87 90 111 130 162 165 173
From this, I guess my solution is wrong and judge data doesn't contain this. Can anyone else check ?
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Re: 10561 - Treblecross

Post by zobayer » Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:35 pm

Now it's ok :)
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